THE SOLICITOR GENERAL: Yes, I was not intending to direct your Lordships attention to that.
I was just intending to set the evidence up in its various links as it refers to Viktor Oschenko, what
we have so far and what can be added to it. What we have established so far through the mouth of
Mrs. C and Gordievsky is that Oschenko was here between 1972 (I think it was) and 1979,
between certain dates that she gave; he was identified and treated as a KGB agent during that time;
that he defected about 25th July in Paris and then was ----
MR. JUSTICE BLOFELD: 1992?
THE SOLICITOR GENERAL: In 1992, and then came to this country. So we have the beginning
and the end really of Oschenko in this country. We have also established through the mouth of Oleg
Gordievsky that Portugal was used as a friendly country during the 1970s -- friendly from the Soviet
point of view -- for training agents, and both he and Mrs. C have said with varying degrees of
inclination that the map of Oporto appears to be consistent with some agent training rather than with
a map referring to places of interest.
MR. JUSTICE BLOFELD: Candidly I did not think either of them were particularly enthusiastic.
They said, Yes, its capable of being that; its capable of innocent interpretation.
THE SOLICITOR GENERAL: Indeed. How much more useful then to the jury is evidence which
enables them to put hitherto ambiguous evidence into an unambiguous category. It is evidence that
would be of assistance to the jury in our submission to resolve that doubt, if doubt there be.
MR. JUSTICE BLOFELD: What Mr. Tansey says is, before you get to that stage, there has to be
sufficient evidence for the jury to be able to come to the decision that the Viktor mentioned in the
phone call ----
THE SOLICITOR GENERAL: I am trying to set the thing up so that I can say why that is so. I may
be going too far back ----
MR. JUSTICE BLOFELD: Yes.
THE SOLICITOR GENERAL: ---- for your Lordship but, looking at it as an intellectual exercise,
which I am trying to do, that is what we have at the moment from those two witnesses. In addition,
as your Lordship has pointed out, we have the defendant responding to the phone call, a phone
call made by a man with an accent from somewhere in Eastern Europe.
MR. JUSTICE BLOFELD: With an accent, at the moment. I do not think anyone -- did he say he
was putting on a Russian accent?
THE SOLICITOR GENERAL: We have heard the evidence. I am sure anybody can draw their
own conclusion. He did not say I asked him who was that and he said it was me.
MR. JUSTICE BLOFELD: That is why I said a foreign accent; I cannot say.
THE SOLICITOR GENERAL: I have written down in my note foreign accent so I will stay with
MR. JUSTICE BLOFELD: Yes, you have no difficulty in persuading me that the movements
described by your police officers would certainly enable a jury, if they were minded to, to come to