IL/IS/ISIL/ISIS/DAESH = CIA/MOSSAD/SAUD/NATO

Jar2

The UK/US/NATO/FiveEyes (IsraHell) "Above" UN            

The Five Eyes countries and NATO led by the United States, Israel and the United Kingdom have placed themselves in a no man's land outside of the law in their blind drive for global domination. These countries openly ignore international law, the authority of the United Nations and the sovereignty of all nations.        

   

After the false flag event of 9-11 and the ensuing aggressive wars, droning and the illegal torture prisons they opened, such as the one in Guantanamo Bay Cuba, all events part of the commission of Crimes Against Peace (the ultimate war crime) and in violation of the Geneva Conventions and the United Nations Charter, there is no way that the United States and this group of rogue nations can recognize the authority of the United Nations, for if they do they will have to recognize the crimes that they themselves are guilty of.           

 

The Crimes that the US is guilty of such as Aggressive War and Crimes Against Peace have no statute of limitations therefore they will never recognize the authority of the United Nations and Julian Assange and all who fought against them will die as I will/have. The exceptional elites and Zionists have determined who of we, the population of the world, must die and they will systematically kill us all. They will not stop killing us until they dominate the world or until the world destroys it, Which I am afraid will never happen.            

 

Welcome to he Matrix now go and die. There is no hope and their is no future, the genocidal Germanic/Anglo Saxons will kill us all. They should have been stopped but no one wanted to listen. They have been too busy sucking the economic teat.             

 

People of the world: if you do not rise up. You will soon no longer exist! John Robles 02132016 Moscow Russia - On his death bed

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I would be derelict to, and in betrayal of, everything that I have fought for and stood for over more than the last 20 years, if I did not speak out on the latest atrocities carried out by the West and what I labelled “the Complex” in my last significant article. Make no mistake that “they” want war and World War III is what they are going to drag us all into.

Evidence Ukraine/Poland Supporting ISIS for the CIA + Soros/Nazis

Weekly collection of material regarding Ukraine, ISIS, Sorros and the nazi Scum in Ukraine

The Consortium: World's Leading False Flag Organizer

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/01/21/xfiles/

Al-Qaeda/IS/ISIL/ISIS=CIA/Mossad/Etc - JAR2

Article from 2013 regarding the US invasion of Libya

Flight 9268: FSB Calls 9268 a Terrorist Attack: $50 Million Reward

Offers $50 Million Reward for the Perpetrators

Foreign Intel Services Behind Paris Attacks

The Paris attacks could be the work of foreign intelligence services in order to “facilitate a NATO strike against Syria,” says US Army psychological officer

On Flight 9268 and the Paris Attacks, Article by John Robles

Article by John Robles regarding the downing of flight 9268 and the terrorist attacks in Paris 

PSYOPs Officer Scott Bennet: Proof ISIS=CIA

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MULTIDIMENSIONAL INFLUENCE OPERATIONS US Army Psychological Operations Officer Scott Bennett, Ph.D. (ABD)     

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Terrorism, ISIS Funding, Snowden, 9-11 and Another Cover Up

This came in my e-mail from a reliable source "S" and as always, from 9-11 to Ukraine to the ISIS

 

 

 

 

 

Jar2 

1 October 2012, 23:25  

State Sponsored Terrorism: How USAID Funds Terrorist Groups

John Robles

'State sponsored terrorism' or USAID funds terrorist groups

The amount of information available is growing which points to the fact USAID is much more than it seems and that it is deeply intertwined, if not in fact an integral part, of the CIA. According to the Global Intelligence Files at Wikileaks one of the most overt cases of USAID interference and proof positive that it is in fact engaged in activities that are far beyond what it claims to be doing, was recently uncovered and involves the financing of subversive operations in Cuba.

It is sometimes difficult for people to understand and accept the sheer magnitude of the murderous and criminal things that the American government is capable of doing. Many people are ready to turn a blind eye and would rather be ignorant when they are presented evidence of monstrosities being committed by their government, labeling anyone who dares to question the official line as a kook or a conspiracy freak. We saw this with 9-11, when respected and educated structural engineers, architects, scientists and eyewitnesses reported on facts which brought the official version into question and these people lost their jobs, their freedom and many, their lives.

While investigating some of the activities of USAID (at the start this article was to be about their meddling in Russia) I learned more and more about what they actually do and the picture continues to become more horrible with each new revelation.

The activities of USAID in the past include everything from secret and even overt sterilization programs to facilitate selective control of certain race groups and peoples, population control experimentation using disease and even famine and even subverting governments and sovereign nations through the manipulation of educational institutions, critical infrastructure and using the most vulnerable segments of populations as tools to fulfill their own secret agendas.

This may sound bad enough but it gets worse, much worse. Not only is USAID a tool of the CIA and an instrument to bring about the fulfillment of the black operations of remorseless and conscious less monsters but it is a tool disguising itself as an innocent “friend” and a promoter of the more nobler aspirations of mankind. It is among other things a “tool” which finances terrorists and terrorist acts which kill innocent people.

This is clear in Cuba, which has been the target for US terrorism. Not only what might be called “state sponsored terrorism”, but as operation Northwoods showed the world, state planned, financed and executed terrorism. Sure project Northwoods was stopped by Kennedy, and it may be one of the reasons he was assassinated, but new evidence once again shows that the US Government will do whatever it takes to meet their objectives.

If you are not familiar with Project Northwoods it involved the US Government staging real terrorist acts in the United States, killing untold numbers of US citizens, blowing up airliners, sinking warships and staging various attacks on US properties and military installations and then placing the blame on Cuba, so that it could then invade the small Caribbean nation.

The projects details are strangely reminiscent of the events of 9-11. Project Northwoods passed through the entire chain of command, all the way to President Kennedy’s desk, who refused to sign it. When the information was finally leaked out it clearly showed that there are those who have no regard for human life when it comes to meeting their objectives in positions of great power in the US Government. If George Bush had been presented a plan to fly drone aircraft into the World Trade Center and fire a stinger missile into the Pentagon to serve as a catalyst for a global war of domination masked as a war on terrorism, would he have signed it?

According to an e-mail citing a report by the Granma newspaper, while Americans are suffering, schools are closing, unemployment is viral, healthcare is unattainable, and there are a myriad of other more pressing social issues, the U.S. Government set aside $3,400,000.00 to "… finance subversive operations in Cuba."

The money was reportedly transferred to one of the many anti-Cuba groups in Miami that are responsible for conducting anti-Cuban Government operations in Cuba, including acts of terrorism. The organization in question, the Foundation for Human Rights in Cuba (FHRC), a subsidiary of the Cuban-American National Foundation (CANF), is involved in carrying out terrorist acts in Cuba.

The FHRC is located in Miami Florida and was founded by CIA-terrorist agent Jorge Mas Canosa and Luis Posada Carriles, men responsible for the loss of dozens, if not hundreds, of innocent lives. Their close relationship with the CIA and far-right senators and representatives is also at issue in the e-mail.

Luis Posada Carriles is one of the most proliferate terrorists of modern times, not only was he one of the organizers of the1976 terrorist bombing of Cubana Airlines flight 455 that killed 73 passengers, but he has a long history of terrorist activities and working with the CIA including work under the alias "Ramon Medina," with the “Contra” program run by Lt. Col. Oliver North in the Reagan National Security Council. In 1998 he admitted in interview with Ann Louise Bardach for the New York Times that he was responsible for a string of hotel bombings in Havana which injured eleven people and killed an Italian national. He was also imprisoned in Panama for trying to assassinate Fidel Castro in December 2000 with 33 pounds of C-4 explosives.

The e-mail, or rather the article it refers to, call the funding embezzlement, citing the case of a different Non-Governmental Organization (NGO) subsidized by USAID, the Center for a Free Cuba, owned by Felipe Sixto, the right-hand man of CIA agent Frank "Paquito" Calzon.

If we accept what is now part of the public record, that through USAID the CIA and the US Government funds terrorist and subversive activities then would it be much of a stretch of the imagination to postulate that they have done the same in Russia? This would include funding Chechen terrorists and their terrorist activities and operations some of which required amazing amounts of funding, planning, resources and funding.

Subversive activities in Russia would also include funding, recruiting and planning for the usurping of the government and the organization of a “color” revolution, things such as population control to facilitate the long term plan of diminishing the population and in the end a complete end to the Russian people and the Russian state. Sound far-fetched? All of these have been planned and discussed and talked about, and the ideal tool for bringing such events about was USAID.

In another e-mail Fred Burton at Stratfor was asked to verify how many people on a list of Americans killed abroad were undercover operatives to which he unconvincingly said that many were not CIA, but what was interesting is that he did say that one Laurence Foley, who was killed in 2002 in Amman Jordan, was CIA and working under U.S. Agency for International Development official cover and Freddie Woodruff, who was shot dead in Tbilisi, Georgia in 1993 was the CIA Chief of Station.

As I stated in an earlier report, USAID has long been known to be a front company for the CIA, this fact alone should be enough to raise the warning flags but if we now add to that the fact that they are active in the funding of terrorist acts it makes the organization an even worse one than most of us could have imagined.

Jar2  

12 September 2012, 13:42  

US-Sponsored Haqqani Network Now a Terrorist Organization

John Robles

Created from a small organization by the US during the US-backed war in Afghanistan against the Soviet Union, the Haqqani network has now been classified as a terrorist organization by the US. What this means for the world at large, from a legal standpoint is really nothing, but what it means for the continuation of the endless “War on Terror” and the Bush doctrine of “Either you are with us or you are against us” may be a lot.

On Friday September 7, 2012 the Obama Administration and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton signed an official order which formally designates the Taliban-linked Haqqani network as a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO), adding yet another organization to the US terror blacklist and giving the US further justification for the “War on Terror” and further global military expansion. The move will also allow the US to seize and go after the network’s considerable resources, under US law.

Whether the designation is legal under international law is not a question the US or its allies spend any time considering, and few countries dare to question the US policy started by former US President George W. Bush of “either you are with us or you are against us.”

Official statements and extensive media reports paint a picture of reluctance on the part of the US Government to make such a move and attempt to shift the blame on intense pressure by the US Congress, something perhaps done in an attempt to dilute the effect of the designation on US-Pakistani relations.

According to Western media and open source intelligence, the Haqqani network’s operatives freely move and operate in North Waziristan and other areas of Pakistan, as well as the Paktiya, Paktika, and Khost provinces of Afghanistan. The media also reports that network operatives provide support to terrorist organizations including the Afghan Taliban, the Pakistani Taliban and al-Qaeda in the form of weapons, financing, sanctuary and even militants.

The Haqqani network’s financial assets are said to be vast and widespread and come from a wide range of legal and illegal activities all across South Asia and the Middle East.

The US blames the network for attacks against the United States, NATO, and Afghan forces, including the 2008 attack on the Indian Embassy in Kabul, last September's attack on the U.S. Embassy and NATO headquarters and assassination attempts on President Hamid Karzai and others.

The move will also allow the US to label Pakistan a state that supports terrorism along with blacklisted countries such as Cuba, Iran, Sudan, and Syria and give it another justification for the continuation of its “War on Terror”. All the US has to do is show ties between the Pakistanis and the Haqqani network - a campaign that has already started as proven by reports now beginning to circulate stating that Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence Agency is backing terrorists. One such report quotes a Pakistani doctor who reportedly helped the CIA locate Osama bin Laden , Dr Shakil Afridi, who was speaking to Fox News, the US cable network famous for being a tool for promoting less-than-true propaganda.

The problem here is that the Haqqani network, as well as al-Qaeda, Osama bin Laden and even the Taliban all got their start with the help of the CIA and were all at one point (and may continue to) doing the US’ bidding.

Another problem is that anyone who fights the US, no matter where they be, is being classified as terrorists. We saw this during the invasion of Afghanistan, when anyone who fought the invaders was taken to Guantanamo, and we see this today. The US’ invasion of sovereign nations without an official declaration of war requires them to do so and to make even more terrorists in order to support their endless war.

It is common knowledge now that Jalauddin Haqqani and his fighters were leading recipients of CIA funding during the CIA backed war against the Soviet Union in Pakistan. Getting their start in the 1970s, they were supported and funded by the CIA and ISI throughout the 1980s.

Just like al-Qaeda and bin Laden, who was given the code name Tom Ossman, the CIA helped to make their organizations large and powerful and now the US is now waging an endless global war to supposedly try to eradicate them, if you believe their version. The fact is that it cannot be viewed as simply the “War on Terror”. This is only a pretext for global military expansion and the “terrorists” that the US created and is apparently fighting against, give the US the reason it needs to continue its military expansion.

Throughout the years, Haqqani has developed his network extensively even receiving money, weapons and supplies from Pakistan’s ISI. After the Soviet Union left Afghanistan he even served as justice minister and minister of tribal and border affairs after the Taliban came to power in 1996. Following the US invasion of Afghanistan he then joined the Taliban.

The events leading to the designation of the Haqqani network as a terrorist group and the attempted “disowning” began in 2011, when in September, at a congressional hearing, Admiral Mike Mullen, who at the time was the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, according to Foreign Policy “…declared that the network of Jalaluddin Haqqani was a "virtual arm" of Pakistan's top spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence directorate.”

The same publication stated that: “Sherry Rehman, the Pakistani ambassador in Washington, brushed off the designation, calling it an internal US matter and noting that Haqqanis are not Pakistani nationals.” She went on to say, "It's not our business”, but added that Pakistan would maintain its counterterrorism cooperation with the United States.

Apparently such a designation is not seen by the Pakistanis as something that will hurt relations which are already at a low point if they can be said to exist at all after years of “incidents”. We should recall the two Pakistanis killed by a CIA contractor, the killing of 28 Pakistani soldiers on November 26, 2011, the unilateral US raid on Osama bin Laden’s compound, incidents with drones and more. All of which may have been classified as acts of war. However Pakistan would not make such a designation as it has continued to attempt to appease the US.

The latest move will allow the US to begin seizing the resources of Haqqani and will allow the US military to expand the range of their targets in the region.

Even in disowning its children, those very children are still doing their master’s bidding.

Jar2

13 April 2012, 12:31

Islamic Terrorists Trained in US

John Robles

This story is for you, provided that you are not subject to having to deal with censored news sources and are able to actually receive some information in some small way resembling the truth.

This story is for you, provided that you are not subject to having to deal with censored news sources and are able to actually receive some information in some small way resembling the truth.

If you are able to actually get around all of the censors and media filters and can actually see some sort of real news and have heard about the fact that the US is training terrorist groups inside the US and are actually shocked or surprised by the news, then you are, perhaps as I am, still living in a dream world that does not exist anymore.     

The world I am talking about may have existed in the dreams of the previous generation, it may have existed in our own misconceived notions when we our generation was younger, but it does not exist anymore, if it did at all. That naïve never-never land of justice and truth and peace and human rights.

What exists now and what has existed since 9-11 is a world of endless terror, mindless war to the ends of time and the endless stripping of your every right as a human being by an endless gun at your temple and boot in your face. And it does not matter what you or I want, or whether or not any of the us agree with what they are doing. Why doesn’t it matter? Well, for the main reason that what they are doing, be it torturing hundreds of innocent people, holding thousands without trial and incommunicado, or killing and destroying entire peoples, they are doing for our safety.

What I am getting at now are the endless calls by the US to arm the opposition in countries like Syria, Libya and anywhere else where the toppling of a government or the causing of instability is beneficial to the strengthening of the US position in the area. Calls which are becoming more and more frequent and more and more obvious and ever the more bolder with each passing day. In this case not just the opposition in some far away land but terrorists being trained in the US, and being sent to who knows where.

Recently another Iranian nuclear scientist was assassinated in Iran and the entire US News cycle on the event was covered with speculation that it was the Iranians themselves and their “Evil Death Squads” who killed him, most sane people and many experts thought it was Israel, after all they had committed such acts before, but no one, especially, and first and foremost the US media, in no way connected the US with the attack.

Well thanks a Pulitzer-Prize winning investigative reporter for The New Yorker magazine, Seymour Hersh, we now know the truth, and it is blacker than anyone had imagined. Unfortunately US Officials are able to continue the line that they have nothing to do with such things. After all they only trained the terrorists, but still Hersh has shed some light into a very dark corner.

In an interview with Hersh, Amy Goodman with Democracy Now, reveals that starting in 2005 the U.S. Joint Special Operations Command  was training terrorists from the group Mujahideen-e-Khalq, or MEK, a group which had been on the US State Department’s Foreign Terrorist Organization List since 1997, at a secret site inside the contiguous United States in the state of  Nevada. The site is called the Nevada Nuclear Security or National Security Test Site and is a closed area for the general public, it is also the location of a secret air base which was used to fly the terrorists in and out of the country.

What is most revealing in Hersh’s interview is the number of times he negates the fact that the Iranians are attempting to build a nuclear weapon, even claiming to know firsthand at one point that the Iranians do NOT have a nuclear weapons program and this he says is known to Israeli and American Intelligence. Something that many experts have told me as well during the course of interviews, so as Mr. Hersh said, “…the United States is now increasing sanctions and putting all sorts of economic pressure on the Iranians to stop them from making a bomb that we know they’re not making.”

So why is the US really doing everything it can to build the case for an invasion of Iran? The answer may be obvious, but I will let you work it out.

Have a great day (or night) wherever you may be.    

 Jar2

12 March 2012, 14:14

CIA/Al-Qaeda Back on the Track

John Robles

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Interview with Dr. Alon Ben-Meir, Middle East Expert and Professor from the Center for Global Affairs at New York University.

There are reports that al-Qaeda is making a come back in Iraq, in Syria, in Libya. What can you tell our listeners about that?

Well, it is absolutely not surprising. Al-Qaeda has and will continue to exploit any unrest anywhere in the Arab world where they can, so there is no question. They see an opportunity to ignite conflict and violence in Iraq, and they do so. They see certainly great opportunity in Syria and without any question they see the same thing happening in Libya, as Libya still is going through serious conflict from within, the Western part of Libya declared independence from the rest of the country. So, whenever there is a chaotic situation you can count on the al-Qaeda to try to penetrate there and make the chaos even greater.

What is your forecast for Libya and for the country possibly falling into complete chaos?

It is a chaotic situation already and the concern we have is that most western powers in most countries for that matter were thinking that after the so-called revolution in the Arab Spring things can quickly go back to some kind of an order, that there will be elections, there’ll be parliament, there’ll be a new government, but the truth of the matter is this is a long hideous cruel process. It will take years, not months, I repeat, years, be that in Egypt, be that in Libya, even Tunisia that is fairly quiet right now. We do not know what might happen. Certainly Syria is a good example of that. The so-called Arab Spring is going on, as I mentioned probably to you before, it’s going to be a long and cruel winter and it really should be expected because for new political order to emerge it takes time specifically in countries where they have never experienced anything but dictatorship, military rule for that matter, exploitation and so for a new order to emerge specifically of talking about democratic reforms and democratic government, this is a long process and will take time until it strikes deep roots in any given society.

A lot of observers are surprised by President Barack Obama’s calls for peaceful resolutions to the situations in Syria, in Iran lately. What can you tell us about that? Do you think they are sincere?

Honestly, I think as far as Syria is concerned is a wishful thinking. Bashar Assad government is not going to settle for anything less than suppressing completely the uprising in Syria and subordinating the opposition, basically forcing them to submit, to surrender so to say. Bashar Assad has been given many opportunities to take a different course, he has been supported by Russia, by the Chinese, the Russians have been telling him that he has to make better choices and stop the killing but obviously nothing is helping. And so for President Obama to call for peaceful solution it is nice rhetoric in the election year but he is not going to go far enough.

You don’t think so. What about constitutional referendum they had in Syria?

This is really nothing but an exercise in the futility. The so-called new constitution really does not respond to the need of the people in any way, in any significant way. What we are going to need is a constitution that is representative of the people and what the people need and yearned for and to try to pass on a constitution in the midst of violence, and death, and havoc, and confusion it is an exercise in futility as I said and it’s a cynical game that I think the Assad regime is playing.

So, your forecast for Syria is more of the same or do you see a conclusion without military intervention? Do you think that’s possible?

I am really concerned now that Assad apparently is not willing to take significant steps to end the conflict and to end the killing and he is pretty much inviting, eventually, he will be inviting foreign intervention, and the Turks are watching and are very concerned, there are other powers who are very concerned. And so, I am not sure that he has left any chance of actually turning the things around and starting a new order. I think it is probably too late for Bashar Assad at this point.

I see. Can you give our listeners more of a concrete forecast for Libya in particular? The country is being divided, you said the west has declared independence. Where do you see the country in about a year from now, let’s say?

I honestly think the country will continue to experience tremendous amount of uncertainty and evil, but as I said I am not entirely surprised. Libya is a tribal country. Each tribe has its own tradition, its own interest, its own aspiration, and it is very difficult to try to find a general consensus between the various tribes that have been ruled by Gaddafi basically by dividing and conquering. And to suggest that they will be able to sit down and iron out their conflict and their differences – it’s not going to happen. It’s going to take counter-revolutionary movement and unfortunately more and more violence before the matter will settle. A year from today I think we are going to be seeing much of the same.

That’s not very good.

Very quickly let me suggest several things. Number one: I think the United States, Obama administration have now made it much clearer in terms of its position toward Iran. Obama suggests it strongly that it is no longer prevent containing Iran, should it acquire nuclear weapon but preventing Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon in the first place. This was important for the Israelis to hear. Two: when Obama said all options are still on the table and he specifically said including a military component.

Jar2

1 August 2011, 19:54

Western Double Standards in Terrorism Cases

Ivan Eland

Double standards in the West towards terrorism cases

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When we talk about al-Qaeda, we are talking about, excuse me, Islamic terrorists and high-light religion in this aspect. But when it comes to someone who is of the Christian faith that’s downplayed. I think it’s a sort of double standard that we focus on religion in the case of al-Qaeda but not in the case of somebody like Breivik in Norway. — Ivan Eland, Senior Fellow and Director of the Center on Peace and Liberty at the Independent Institute in the US.

Interview with Ivan Eland, Senior Fellow and Director of the Center on Peace and Liberty at the Independent Institute in the US.

Recently you wrote an article on double standards in the West towards terrorism cases. Can you fill our listeners in on exactly what you mean?

Think of the Norway case, the way western media was talking about it. First it was the New York Times – I think it’s the leader in the western media – that called him a Christian extremist. Then they started calling him an anti-immigrant or anti-Islamic extremist, dropping the ‘Christian’ part out of it. This was a change but most of the media have called him an anti-immigrant terrorist. And, of course, when we talk about al-Qaeda, we are talking about, excuse me, Islamic terrorists and high-lighten religion in one aspect. But when it comes to someone who is of the Christian faith that’s downplayed. I really think that we should downplay religion in both Islamic and Christian cases, because a vast majority of people from these religions are not radical and do not commit terrorist acts. But I think it’s a sort of double standard that we focus on religion in the case of al-Qaeda but not in the case of somebody like Breivik in Norway.

Why can’t the world community agree on a concrete definition of a terrorist and terrorism?

A lot of this has problems in the western community. Surprisingly, it would seem that a simple definition would be ‘killing civilians to instill fear in civilians to get them to change the policy of their government’. And that’s a very simple, straightforward-working definition that many in the west, in the academic circles, can’t adopt because the fire bombings of Japan and Germany and atomic bombings of Japan and Germany would then be called terror bombings. But, of course, they are not regarded as terrorist acts. Government actions, not only of the US, but many other governments over the centuries have committed much more crimes against innocent civilians than smaller groups. It’s not an excuse to smaller groups like al-Qaeda or other Islamic or non-Islamic terrorist groups but it’s certainly adds perspective. And I think one of the reasons why western governments can’t agree on a definition is that it might implicate their own government for having used terrorist acts before.

You liken Hiroshima and Nagasaki to terrorist acts?

I think they were terrorist acts. But the problem is that we don’t consider that governments do terrorist. We only consider what little groups do nowadays. And certainly little groups can commit big crimes on occasion but usually they don’t. We see hundreds of thousands of people killed in fire bombings, in atomic bombings during World War II. Other governments have done the same to other people. So, governments kill on a mass scale – and this, not to mention the US government, but there have been many other instances of government killing on a mass scale. And government can kill on a mass scale – they have more resources than little groups. But, of course, the origin of the terms “terrorism” comes from governmental terrorism, but it’s now only used to describe ragtag groups, which actually don’t kill that many people. I mean since 9/11 17 Americans have been killed in terrorism and 13 of those were killed in one incident, in the massacre by a Killeen psychiatrist. And they certainly mentioned the fact that he was Islamic at the time, whether it had anything to do with it or not. I guess it did, to some extent, because he was tracked to other groups. As we see in the Oslo case, it’s not confined to people of Islamic faith.

Back to the Oslo case, Breivik was driven by Islamophobia. What’s your take on 9/11, on the western media promoting this point of view?

I think they have and I think the mainstream media does it indirectly by focusing on terminology like, as I’ve mentioned, al-Qaeda as an Islamic group. But if somebody else does that in something like abortion clinics or in this massacre in Oslo, they tend to focus on medicine or anti-immigrant terrorism, not Christian terrorism. They don’t call it Christian terrorism. We have a double standard there and I think we focus on that despite that mainstream media does it indirectly. But, of course, some commentators put more blame when they say Islam is a violent religion. Islam is not more a violent religion than any other religion. There are some violent passages in the Quran and there are some violent passages in the Old Testimony as well as in the New Testimony.  Think religion has evolved over the centuries – both mainstream Christianity and mainstream Islam are very benign religions as far as terrorism or extremism goes. I think there are a number of people around this guy thinking that he’s a Christian crusader going back to the crusade. And al-Qaeda, they are the reverse – they were crusading on the Muslim side. I think that the conflict between Christianity and Islam is probably a clash of civilizations. But I think it’s really been prompted because it is a clash of civilizations that we can get along, but the extremists tend to focus on that. Breivik’s manifesto seems to be mirroring some of the al-Qaeda message in reverse – a reverse crusading or whatever. So, I think extremists have more in common with each other than they do differences in religion.

Some of the tactics of right-wing groups and some of the right-wing media is trying to provoke reactions from Muslims and from the Islamic community. Do you agree with that?

Yes, I think it’s definitely true. I suppose that’s what the Soviet Union wanted, some sort of an enemy. So, they need Islam, they’ve converted Islam into a new threat. And, of course, the reason that al-Qaeda the US has very little to do with religion, the religious side of the problem, rather it is mainly a revenge or a protest against US occupation of Muslim lands. I have no doubt about that. And these phenomena have hit other countries that occupy Islamic land as well, like for instance Israel in Palestine. I think it’s really more of an anti-meddling or anti-occupation rather than a religious theme.

So, you say that for some people its profitable or they need an enemy, and if they can provoke a reaction then they have what they want?

Yes, and I think there is a lot of racism involved in it as well. They don’t like immigrants, particularly Islamic immigrants who come from North Africa. They have a darker skin color than a normal European, or at least a Western European. And so there has been a lot of racism. I think it’s associated with anti-immigration and right-wing parties in Europe play on that.

 

 

 

 

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